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chaoswolfGot the answers I was looking for: Danica hasn't been online because she's been doing one or all of the following
OTOH, I am annoyed by the fact that her parents are punishing her FNAR other than the fact that she's 18 and not a fundamentalist Mormon like her father. Steve was fine until he decided he wanted to go back to church, and niether one of them fully understands empathy or the fact that she's trying to become Pagan. By National Law, you have Freedom of Religion as guaranteed as in the Bill Of Rights. In addition, The US Constitution says you are entitled also to life, liberty & the persuit of happiness. If happiness equals going out of your parents' house and living your life with someone else that you're in love with, why is it that her parents are violating this basic gift as granted in the US Constitution? In addition, liberty is supposed to entail that you have more freedom than you do when you're a teenager. And while we are agreed that calling if you're going to be out for the night is a courtesy, it isn't necessary to do it!
Sorry...I'm done.
- dealing with family problems
- hanging out with Jason
- hanging out with Ren
OTOH, I am annoyed by the fact that her parents are punishing her FNAR other than the fact that she's 18 and not a fundamentalist Mormon like her father. Steve was fine until he decided he wanted to go back to church, and niether one of them fully understands empathy or the fact that she's trying to become Pagan. By National Law, you have Freedom of Religion as guaranteed as in the Bill Of Rights. In addition, The US Constitution says you are entitled also to life, liberty & the persuit of happiness. If happiness equals going out of your parents' house and living your life with someone else that you're in love with, why is it that her parents are violating this basic gift as granted in the US Constitution? In addition, liberty is supposed to entail that you have more freedom than you do when you're a teenager. And while we are agreed that calling if you're going to be out for the night is a courtesy, it isn't necessary to do it!
Sorry...I'm done.
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Date: 2004-10-10 08:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-10-10 10:24 pm (UTC)That would be in the Declaration of Independence, actually.
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Date: 2004-10-10 10:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-10-11 02:25 am (UTC)From the information I have here, it sounds as if that slip is highly appropriate.
What I am about to say is based in fact. It doesn't mean that I agree with the parents -- I don't, in general (and being one, I am gearing up for the day) -- but it's from lessons hard-learned as a young adult.
You see, I also had trouble with my parents at about that age, over some of the same issues. Their response to my assertions was that when I was independent, I could live as I pleased; that I could believe anything I wished, but that while I lived with them, they made the rules.
Had I owned a car of my own, for example, I would have been free to drive it all I wished. I didn't, and that made my comings and goings fair game. And when at home, I was expected to behave according to the rules, one of which was to find a way to deal with being hassled about my choice of friends. The obvious choice would have been to find a way to move out -- I didn't, being young and stupid in all the practical things. That just meant I had to put up with lots of hassling.
I am informed both by acquaintances and reading that Mormons are one of several sects whose creeds and fundamentalism run strongly and strictly, so it's no surprise that your friend is being hassled about religion. She has every right to her beliefs. Enacting them -- hosting a circle, for example -- may not be within her rights, if she's living at home with her folks..
If happiness equals going out of your parents' house and living your life with someone else that you're in love with, why is it that her parents are violating this basic gift as granted in the US Constitution?
Basically, because she's not fully free until she's financially independent. And even then, parents always feel they have the right to express their opinions about one's chosen others. (They DON'T have the right to do anything about it, once she's out. Until then, they can certainly forbid the SO to enter the house, and hassle her when she sees him. And place obstacles in her way.)
I'm always sorry to hear about situations like this. Maybe your friend can use it as inspiration and motivation, rather than getting dragged in, as I was. (And, getting out may just not be possible. I know that, too.) Either way, freedom comes of being independent in fact, not just of age. (Maybe not at all of age. I got verbal hassles from my mom almost until the day I lost her, and I was 42.)
I wish her good luck; sounds like she needs lots of it, and support from her true friends, to make this work out.
Thank you
Date: 2004-10-11 11:52 am (UTC)BTW, you're the first person who's not Mormon that has the facts straight about Mormons. While I'm not one, I grew up in the church, and I try to correct rumors about them when I can. I'm glad there's someone out there who does research before claming to know something about another religion.
Re: Thank you
Date: 2004-10-11 02:33 pm (UTC)